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George Vithoulkas

(Daughter): She laughs during her psychotic states. (F.P.): I can describe the laughter myself. I remember it very well. (G.V.): What is it like?
(F.P.): In the first phase, in 1988, for the first time I found it was no longer a threat. I found what was happening to me to be something helpful. I attributed this to the therapy at the time. These were the same things that had happened before, but I saw them in a different light. I considered them helpful and therefore I was able to laugh about things.
(G.V.): Did you provoke laughter? Did you do it on purpose? (RE): Yes.
(G.V.): That’s what you think, (addressing husband) How does her laughter appear to you?
(Husband): I would say it’s more an ambivalent type of laughter. It’s a kind of laughter that you find difficult to describe. Is this a kind of relief laughter, or is she about to cry? It is difficult to tell which is the case because her voice tends to drop. (D.): Right at the end it was very difficult to distinguish between laughter and actual screaming. It was an indistinguishable HA, HA, HA sound.
(H.): Actually, this particular type of laughter occurred during her sleep-period. As my daughter has said, it was difficult to discern whether this was laughter or a sound that indicated that she was internally on the edge of weeping. Everybody around was aware of her laughter. It was during a period of sleep. (G.V.): What has impressed you most about her crises? (H.): The most serious worries for us are that we see her inner fear—see that she is very mentally fraught—but we are still unable to help her in anyway. She tends to go from one crisis state to another. We never know what is going to happen next. It is this feeling of being unable to help that makes such a frightful impression on you.
(G. V.): You described the problem, but what I really want is for you to describe what impresses you most during a crisis. Is it the fact that she moves about too much, or that she screams too

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